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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Nov 9, 2008 20:54:35 GMT -5
I don't understand this. What burdensome hassle? It is a burden not only to set it up (depending on the router, it can be a real bitch to get working; once you get it up, not so much, but getting it there can be a PITA), but constantly with the overhead. Low latency. No running wires. Data security (for wired, anyway). Pick two. I choose the first two, you apparently don't, not that there's anything wrong with that. Not at all. There are no running wires with secure routers unless you want them. If low latency is a problem then make sure your router is at the computer that you play games with etc and make sure it is wired. Low latency really isn't an issue if you are using your wireless for a home laptop etc. Essentially in my house my laptop is wireless and my XBOX 360 and Wii are wired in so they are secure and fast. My laptop rarely needs a low latency connection. I download on it and latency isn't really a major factor there.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Nov 10, 2008 1:10:11 GMT -5
The latency jump really wasn't enough to justify not securing it.... All current encryption protocols used by residential grade routers can be broken. Most with ease. That doesn't sound too secure to me, thus why I don't even bother.
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Nov 10, 2008 2:59:53 GMT -5
Since no network is truly secure, there is no need to use passwords. Pretty much what you're saying.
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Post by Skyvia on Nov 10, 2008 3:27:00 GMT -5
/me has no idea what anyones talking about
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Nov 10, 2008 9:27:29 GMT -5
The latency jump really wasn't enough to justify not securing it.... All current encryption protocols used by residential grade routers can be broken. Most with ease. That doesn't sound too secure to me, thus why I don't even bother. That is not much of an excuse. How many people will go along and break into your router with the intention of using your internet to view illegal material? I don't use a secure router to keep hackers and scammers out, I use my router to keep random freeloaders out. At the end of the day your argument is a bit like saying "Hey I won't bother with body armour because the enemy will probably be using armour piercing rounds". Chances are you will be injured by something far smaller, which may prove deadly because you couldn't be bothered to protect yourself from the small threat because you viewed the larger threat as more of an issue.
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Post by [CDF] El Satanno on Nov 11, 2008 10:41:20 GMT -5
Hey, not a bad analogy there Leo.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Nov 11, 2008 13:58:44 GMT -5
...keep random freeloaders out... At the end of the day, it is evident that we have very different views on this topic, and here especially. Having been an aforementioned "freeloader" I see the value in having open access points available. Thus, when I no longer am in the position of having to either use dial-up or mooch, then it makes sense to me to share. I believe that ideas are no-one's property, and thus should be free to all, and thus, that internet access should not be denied to anyone. Thus, I choose to put my money where my mouth is by sharing what I have with those around me; Should they prove unable to handle it responsibly (bogging down my internet 24/7) I may rethink this, but with the network at my vacation home (which has been completely unsecured for at least three years now) it has not been a problem, so I don't anticipate it being one here.
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Nov 11, 2008 14:10:44 GMT -5
I believe that ideas are no-one's property, and thus should be free to all, and thus, that internet access should not be denied to anyone. Thus, I choose to put my money where my mouth is by sharing what I have with those around me How remarkably...........socialist.
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Post by Jeremy "Scotty" Daniels on Nov 11, 2008 14:22:48 GMT -5
Not quite TKO, socialistic thinking is the belief that the government ought to have either a controlling interest in the majority (or usually all) businesses, or own said businesses outright. And that is used as a stepping stone towards a utopian state wherein there would be no need for money, but rather every person being provided for, and providing a valuable service to society. The proper term for what 237a is espousing is "liberal thinking"; or to be more specific, free thinking and the belief in the freedom of information flows. Which is more often than not (in practice) discouraged and disallowed in true socialist states.
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Nov 11, 2008 15:22:53 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong Digits, I am all for the free flow of data and ideas, but unfortunately people can't play nice when given these opportunities. At the end of the day I always offer my internet up to friends and guests if they wish to use it.
Oh JD, I would say complete internet freedom from government would be an almost anarchist view on the subject. The funny thing about being liberal is you let people do what they want but as long as it doesn't impeach on what other people want. Hence all the attempted regulation on the internet.
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Post by Jeremy "Scotty" Daniels on Nov 11, 2008 15:47:04 GMT -5
Leo, you are right in your assertion that a completely free internet would be anarchist. And if you were to have a purely free thinking society it would clearly be anarchist. The downside to that is that in such a society (or lack thereof I guess) it degenerates to a policy of "might makes right" without any sort of mitigating factors. That would be a reason that I feel that government is necessary, to a point. And in the proper form. As far as what the "perfect" form of government is, well I guess that depends on who you ask. My view of it is that going to any extreme is bad in the long run no matter what, some just suck more and crap out faster than others. Pure socialism (which would be communism)? You're forcing people to forfeit their property and lives. Pure capitalism? You end up treating people like they are nothing more than equipment (just look at the industrial revolution.) The optimum form is likely to be some blending of the two extremes, that is you have people working for the good of society, but you are still rewarding people for taking risks in business, science, and society at large (and by risk I mean as in investing). As far as what the optimum blend is, that is likely to be different for every person. Wow, so how did we get from helping someone get their Xbox connected to the internet to discussing various forms of sociopolitical systems? I think that we just took nerdiness to a whole new plateau.
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Nov 11, 2008 15:53:59 GMT -5
I think it had something to do with string theory....
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Post by Mr. Digits on Nov 11, 2008 16:04:25 GMT -5
How remarkably...........socialist. Not quite. The difference lies in the definition of "property." The "founding fathers" wrote "Or be deprived of life, liberty, or property..." I posit that since you cannot be deprived of an idea that it therefore cannot be property. A plot of land is property. A lawnmower is property. The *idea* that I might used the second on the first in a specific manner at a specific time is NOT property. Our founding fathers also realized that copyright was a balancing act to give the most benefit to society; The idea is that the producer gets a *limited* monopoly for a *limited* period of time to extract value to fund future works. This has been warped by our society into a virtually *unlimited* monopoly for a virtually *unlimited* amount of time. Steamboat Willie is commonly recognized as the first Disney animation; Disney has been dead for awhile. It is still under copyright. Tell me how this will inspire Walt Disney (who has been dead for over 52 years) to create future works? Ideas are information; Democracy is all about the free flow of information. Also JD: It isn't a liberal idea in my book either; I'm doing it for the betterment of mankind -- I thought that was what religion was all about, and is religion not a *conservative* idea? Also, leo: The idea that I'm made up of little tiny strings is bullshit! Next you're going to tell me that we're all part of some cosmic guitar!
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Post by Jeremy "Scotty" Daniels on Nov 11, 2008 16:26:46 GMT -5
Also JD: It isn't a liberal idea in my book either; I'm doing it for the betterment of mankind -- I thought that was what religion was all about, and is religion not a *conservative* idea? Do note that I provided the definition of the liberal that I was talking about, that is one who is a "free thinker", would be subscribing to your philosophy of allowing internet access to be more open, and thereby (supposedly) to allow more people to begin to be free thinkers. Also, leo: The idea that I'm made up of little tiny strings is bullshit! Next you're going to tell me that we're all part of some cosmic guitar! Oh come on, of course we aren't part of a cosmic guitar, we're all part of a universe sized lyre. Duh!
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Post by [CDF] El Satanno on Nov 12, 2008 6:56:47 GMT -5
>_> <_<
So anyone else get a look at that new dashboard for the 360? It's pretty snazzy.
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Post by (CDF) Simon Summers on Nov 12, 2008 8:26:45 GMT -5
Not being much of a Tech freak how much is a XBOX Live Subscription.
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Post by Mianthadore on Nov 12, 2008 17:31:44 GMT -5
Over here its about $70 a year, I dunno what it will be over in Germany though
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Nov 12, 2008 20:02:46 GMT -5
>_> <_< So anyone else get a look at that new dashboard for the 360? It's pretty snazzy. Not yet, it looks awesome though. Are they still going to do the whole load whole games onto your HD for no-disk play?
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Nov 13, 2008 0:29:55 GMT -5
Doubt it. Piracy, downfall of western civilization, etc...
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Nov 13, 2008 8:28:54 GMT -5
Oh.... it was just a planned feature that was going to go alongside the new dashboard. It was mentioned in an XBOX newsletter to combat the whole piracy thing I believe you had to be logged into XBOX Live to use the function, so the game would boot up and request the profile you originally installed the game from.
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Post by [CDF] El Satanno on Nov 13, 2008 9:25:16 GMT -5
I dunno about all that (although I hope not, because some of us do get by with the worthless 'silver' membership) but over at Giant Bomb they did a side-by-side with Fallout 3, and the load times were somewhat better. You still need the disc, though.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Nov 25, 2008 20:08:15 GMT -5
I dunno about all that (although I hope not, because some of us do get by with the worthless 'silver' membership) but over at Giant Bomb they did a side-by-side with Fallout 3, and the load times were somewhat better. You still need the disc, though. However, with games such as Halo 3 (unless and until Bungie corrects the issue) will load more slowly when you "install" the game to the hard drive, due to the fact that it caches the maps on the HDD to make load times from the DVD faster.
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Nov 27, 2008 20:27:46 GMT -5
El and I have chatted about this installation function and improved loading times aside, we have both agreed that the absence of the disc drive spinning up is a god send for console noise. I imagine it saves a good few months worth of drive use, albeit it probably reduces the HD lifetime a little.
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Post by [CDF] El Satanno on Nov 28, 2008 9:26:23 GMT -5
Trading the life of one poorly-designed, cheap component for another. Gotta love M$'s hardware.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 5, 2008 6:13:08 GMT -5
Trading the life of one poorly-designed, cheap component for another. Gotta love M$'s hardware. Actually.... Not so much. Firstly, the hard drive is spinning when it is on, whether or not you're accessing data on it at the time. Just as long as they don't have it set to load/unload the drive heads every three minutes (I'm looking at you Ubuntu) as a power management feature, you should be fine. As I recall, at least the early 20GB HDDs were manufactured by Seagate, so as long as you don't move them around too much, or load/unload the drive heads too much, you will be fine.
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Post by [CDF] cooliox on Dec 13, 2008 21:13:33 GMT -5
You can actually home brew a wireless card for the 360, search it up on Google.
Though, I wouldn't recommend it if you're not familiar with firmware...
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 14, 2008 16:08:26 GMT -5
You can actually home brew a wireless card for the 360, search it up on Google. Though, I wouldn't recommend it if you're not familiar with firmware... If I really wanted to, I could just hook it up in the same way I'm currently hooking my desktop up -- setting up my laptop as a NAT firewall. There are only three real issues I see (apart from those I mentioned earlier): 1: I don't currently have a crossover cable (As long as it hasn't been moved, I know exactly where it is -- in a Church about half an hour from my house) 2: I don't have enough outlets near my TV to have a plug-in router there. 3: Anything other than either a crossover cable from my laptop, or a wireless card directly attached to the console would make putting it away take longer, and it already takes too long as it is (I need to be able to pack it up with extreme haste}......
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Post by Mianthadore on Dec 14, 2008 19:28:01 GMT -5
Have you considered spending the $20 on a good PCI wireless card for your desktop?
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 14, 2008 21:47:35 GMT -5
Have you considered that:
1: I have no money right now; and
2: There are no "Good" $20 USD wireless cards on the market?
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Post by Mianthadore on Dec 15, 2008 9:47:12 GMT -5
Have you considered that: 1: I have no money right now; and 2: There are no "Good" $20 USD wireless cards on the market? 1. Fair enough in that regard 2. I got my Card for $15 AUS year ago and it is awesome. Of course, it depends on the network your using as well, it supports 802.11a, 802.11b, and it is also supposed to be able to use 802.11g, but I have never tried it on anything other than 802.11b.
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