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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Dec 22, 2008 15:15:55 GMT -5
I'm sure it is, but I wanted a 360 so I could play all the new games without having to spend a small fortune buying a new PC. The Orange Box seemed the most logical extra game because at £10 it was a bargain and I enjoyed playing H2 on the XBOX.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 23, 2008 1:03:35 GMT -5
Yea, ten pounds sterling makes that a great buy; It's still 30 USD for that here.
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Dec 23, 2008 2:56:17 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who has it for both platforms, I feel pretty confident saying it's much better on PC..... True of most games.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 23, 2008 9:33:35 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who has it for both platforms, I feel pretty confident saying it's much better on PC..... True of most games. The exception being anything that requires Games for Windows LIVE! ;D I hate when games insist on launching through bundled software when I get nothing out of said bundled software (Thus why I tolerate Steam {Lets me have my stuff on any computer I want, and I *never* need the disks} and not GFWL)...
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Dec 23, 2008 20:37:54 GMT -5
I use spare 30GB iPods to keep ISOs and their respective cracks. I do this for every PC game I install, whether it was bought or pirated. Though I've yet to attempt to run a game that would launch through Games for Windows LIVE.
And before you ask, I have enough spare iPod parts to make several of them. I fix them, and I tell people that have older broken ones (really not too uncommon) that I do it for the old iPod in lieu of cash.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 23, 2008 23:47:06 GMT -5
My understanding is that GTA4, Fallout3, and COD5 all use GFWL; If it turns out that I could use them without GFWL, then I'd buy them in a bloody heartbeat.....
Also, I saw an article a few days ago about the new Prince of Persia game (PC) is being distributed without DRM....
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Dec 24, 2008 5:24:09 GMT -5
Fallout 3 is the only one of those I have, and I've never used Games for Windows LIVE.
Its DRM was actually SecuROM, and the easiest to work around version of SecuROM I've ever dealt with, at that.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 24, 2008 21:07:31 GMT -5
Fallout 3 is the only one of those I have, and I've never used Games for Windows LIVE. Its DRM was actually SecuROM, and the easiest to work around version of SecuROM I've ever dealt with, at that. Alright, well perhaps I was mistaken in applying that label to all GFW games. I've seen tons of bitching about GFWL though, especially in regard to GTA4...
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Dec 25, 2008 12:43:28 GMT -5
Meh, whats the issue with GFWL anyways? To me it basically means if you have Vista you shouldn't have compatability issues. Nothing more annoying than buying a game to find that despite having plenty of hardware to run it the game still refuses to play.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Dec 31, 2008 9:46:20 GMT -5
Given all I've seen and heard WRT GFWL it looks like all the bad parts of STEAM without most (or any) of the good parts.
If it weren't for the awesome things STEAM lets users do then it would be complete shit -- The last time I *used* a disk (I didn't actually need to though) was when I installed L4D on my old desktop, and I only did that because it meant that the I had the game files fully ready to play sooner. When I put my STEAM games on my new PC (just built it last Friday) all I had to do was install the client and then copy all my game cache files to the appropriate folder and then restart the STEAM client.
Please feel free to correct me if you feel I'm at all wrong on GFWL.
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Dec 31, 2008 15:41:42 GMT -5
GFW means that if you have Vista, it should work as long as you meet hardware requirements.
LIVE, as I understand it, is supposed to give the social and networking aspects of XBL to PC gamers. (Because we totally didn't already have it)
On top of that, you get ACHIEVEMENTS!
But, no, mostly it's crap. Good thing it's also optional, eh? (As far as I know)
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Jan 1, 2009 19:19:27 GMT -5
Yeah I haven't had it active for any of the games I have yet.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Jan 3, 2009 1:38:37 GMT -5
Good.
I'm of two minds with the whole "lobby" system, on the one hand it means it's relatively easy to join games I want to (as long as there aren't ID-10-T errors or more sinister issues), while on the other hand it gives the developers an excuse to give us a shitty server browser.
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Jan 3, 2009 8:10:03 GMT -5
With this system I have heard rumours that it works with XBOX 360 games and that it support cross platform play (PC to 360). Anyone know if this is true or whether they are simply referring to the achievements and the cross platform communication?
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Jan 3, 2009 8:15:53 GMT -5
The only game I know of that does this is Shadowrun.
I know that the plan is to make this some kind of widely supported thing, but it seems unlikely, especially with FPS games (mouse+keyboard control scheme > gamepad).
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Jan 3, 2009 8:18:46 GMT -5
That is what I was thinking. Bit harsh playing say Call of Duty with a gamepad when there are guys using a mouse. Bloodbath comes to mind.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Jan 3, 2009 17:58:06 GMT -5
The only game I know of that does this is Shadowrun. I know that the plan is to make this some kind of widely supported thing, but it seems unlikely, especially with FPS games (mouse+keyboard control scheme > gamepad). You also need to take the system specifications into account too; Consoles generally aren't as powerful as PC's, and thus may have performance issues when large numbers of people are in a server....
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Jan 3, 2009 19:10:06 GMT -5
So, on a related note, I recently (as in, today) took a foray into pirating Grand Theft Auto IV.
ri-goddamn-diculous is how I would describe it.
3, count em, 3 layers of DRM! Rockstar's Social Club shit, GFWL (and you are correct, it requires you to install and use it, though you can get around this by creating an offline profile), and SecuROM.
On top of all this, there is absolutely no optimization for this game. My computer (a mid-level gaming machine, that meets or exceeds every one of the recommended system requirements, BTW) was achieving a whopping 23.45 FPS, on pathetically low settings. After downloading and installing new graphics drivers that were released specifically to address issues with this game (at any given moment, nearly the entire screen consisted of invisible textures).
Now, since I was using a cracked version, I didn't have to deal with SecuROM's bullshit, so I can't speak for the issues it probably brought to the table. And for the record, the only issue I had with the crack was that it would sometimes go into this wobbly-camera mode (it was mentioned in the ReadMe, so I know it was crack-related).
And just think, I didn't even buy the game. I think, if that were the case, that my disgust with this would very likely transform into very real rage, especially after the vendor told me they wouldn't take the game back, because it was bought on PC, and they can't guarantee that I didn't just install it to try and pirate it.
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Jan 4, 2009 9:34:38 GMT -5
Bet the 360 is looking mighty good right about now
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Jan 4, 2009 17:03:00 GMT -5
Bet the 360 is looking mighty good right about now Not really, no. Still, though, I (and probably every PC gamer out there) would have been totally cool with it if Rockstar would spent, say, a year working on the game, then releasing it, instead of rushing a pile of garbage. Now, then, there are a grand total of 3 multi-platform games with inferior PC ports: GTA4, Assassin's Creed, and Resident Evil 4.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Jan 5, 2009 1:51:25 GMT -5
So, on a related note, I recently (as in, today) took a foray into pirating Grand Theft Auto IV. ri-goddamn-diculous is how I would describe it. 3, count em, 3 layers of DRM! Rockstar's Social Club shit, GFWL (and you are correct, it requires you to install and use it, though you can get around this by creating an offline profile), and SecuROM. On top of all this, there is absolutely no optimization for this game. My computer (a mid-level gaming machine, that meets or exceeds every one of the recommended system requirements, BTW) was achieving a whopping 23.45 FPS, on pathetically low settings. After downloading and installing new graphics drivers that were released specifically to address issues with this game (at any given moment, nearly the entire screen consisted of invisible textures). Now, since I was using a cracked version, I didn't have to deal with SecuROM's bullshit, so I can't speak for the issues it probably brought to the table. And for the record, the only issue I had with the crack was that it would sometimes go into this wobbly-camera mode (it was mentioned in the ReadMe, so I know it was crack-related). And just think, I didn't even buy the game. I think, if that were the case, that my disgust with this would very likely transform into very real rage, especially after the vendor told me they wouldn't take the game back, because it was bought on PC, and they can't guarantee that I didn't just install it to try and pirate it. All that shit that people were having to deal with in the PC version of GTA4 is what caused a large part of my hesitance to buy many GFW games -- the idea of having to have an internet connection to play a game (everything EA has released of late requires online activation, hence why I haven't purchased one of their titles recently even though they have at least one or two I'd like to) really turns me off. I can understand that some games are made as strictly multi-player jaunts, but that still shouldn't mean that I have to activate it online before I can play. The only exception I make to the above is for Valve's games on Steam. I have a love-hate relationship with Steam -- hate when it isn't working (or is giving me problems), love at all other times. The whole game cache system it uses is especially nice, since it means that I can install the client and then dump any game caches I have on other machines directly into the \steam apps folder and it'll figure itself out as soon as I restart Steam. I also love how I never need to have the disk for any Steam title. Ever.
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Post by [CDF] El Satanno on Jan 5, 2009 10:01:04 GMT -5
I have to say I'm terribly happy with GTA4 for PS3. Shit, I can't even imagine playing the game with a mouse/keyboard. Just don't jive with me.
I echo the complaints about online activation, too, but I fucking hate Steam. I'm pretty sure Steam doesn't like XP64, and hence HL2 takes a coon's age to load up. Hate. Hate hate hate.
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Jan 5, 2009 13:26:32 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not denying that it's a great game. It's just a shit port of a great game.
Also, I actually had a lot of trouble playing it on PS3. The controller had me continually trying to drive like it was GTA3-GTASA out of reflex.
Offline activation cracks, kids. shitrox
Dunno, not particularly big on Steam, though the increasingly draconian DRM methods are warming me up to it.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Jan 7, 2009 3:34:42 GMT -5
I echo the complaints about online activation, too, but I fucking hate Steam. I'm pretty sure Steam doesn't like XP64, and hence HL2 takes a coon's age to load up. Hate. Hate hate hate. I don't want to start a fan-boy argument here, but as far as I am concerned, while I don't particularly like *some* aspects of Steam, there are others that I hope I never have to live without. Hated: Need to activate all games on Steam, including tying them to an account. VAC Bans are lifetime account bans that from what I've seen aren't particularly transparent, and can't be appealed. Not being able to connect to the same account on more than one computer at a time (Which means I can't have two different computers playing two different games at the same time, which sucks) Loved: Never having to have CD/DVD's. Ever. Being able to access my games from any steam-connected computer. Ease of installation -- If I want to install all my games on a new computer, all I need to do is install the client, and after shutting it down copy all game cache files to the relevant folder before restarting Steam. It's that easy. Alternatively, I could right click them in the "My Games" tab and tell it to install them, but that means it has to re-download them, which takes awhile for 20+ GB of games. The continued support for even older Valve titles. So far, every Valve game I've tried to play has worked just fine the first time I tried to start it (Except for L4D -- it didn't keep it's files in a game cache, so they got missed when I copied the bulk of my games off the laptop. Copying the appropriate files fixed the issue). So far I've only tried 3-5 titles, so I'll update this once I've used more... Anyway.... The only times I've really had an issue with Steam are when I've had slow/no internet connection and it's insisted on updating games (singleplayer even) before letting me play. That's some gay shit right there.
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Post by [CDF] El Satanno on Jan 7, 2009 21:10:30 GMT -5
I dunno. In my limited experience, games have always loaded faster from disc. And since I rarely play more than one or two games at a time, the discs are always in the drives anyway. F* Steam.
Which brings me to another point. Is it even possible to borrow games from your friends anymore? Since you now have to activate shit online and whatnot, you can't simply give the disc to your friend anymore, can you? And you can't sell your old games off, either, huh? That's fucking bullshit. I paid for it, it's my property (although if others follow M$'s evil scheme, not for long), I should be able to do whatever the fuck I want with it.
Case in point: I intend to borrow Fallout 3 off a friend, but I don't know if I'll even be able to play it!
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Post by [CDF] Rustysporkman on Jan 7, 2009 21:45:20 GMT -5
We should protest. By playing one huge-assed game of Monopoly. Who's with me?
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Post by [CGR] TheKnockoff on Jan 8, 2009 7:13:33 GMT -5
Two things, El:
I know for sure that mounting an .iso from a virtual drive will outperform the same disk in an optical drive on the same hardware. I'm not sure about straight off of the hard drive, but I suspect it would have similar, if not better, results.
And, yes, you actually could borrow Fallout 3, though it's one of the few, since the extent of its DRM is a disk check.
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Jan 8, 2009 9:29:10 GMT -5
Technically borrowing or lending games is illegal.
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Post by Mr. Digits on Jan 8, 2009 16:33:41 GMT -5
Which brings me to another point. Is it even possible to borrow games from your friends anymore? Since you now have to activate shit online and whatnot, you can't simply give the disc to your friend anymore, can you? And you can't sell your old games off, either, huh? That's fucking bullshit. I paid for it, it's my property (although if others follow M$'s evil scheme, not for long), I should be able to do whatever the fuck I want with it. Case in point: I intend to borrow Fallout 3 off a friend, but I don't know if I'll even be able to play it! I'll have to agree with you on that paragraph there -- that is one of the big downfalls of games requiring online activation. As I said in my post however, I'll *tolerate* this from Steam given that all I need to play my games is a steam client and my account info, but for other games they just give me all the worst parts without any of the best. That's why I didn't (and won't) buy Crysis: Warhead, Spore, Mass Effect, or anything else from EA until they drop that shit (requiring activation of any kind). Also, as TKO stated, you should be able to play your friend's copy of Fallout 3 just fine, assuming that your PC is up to scratch.... Technically borrowing or lending games is illegal. Not true. There's this little thing called fair use that applies here -- It's only being used on *one* machine at a time, thus the license isn't being violated. The same goes for music. Look at it a different way: Do you see a problem with playing your friends' xbox game in your xbox? I sure don't -- that's a clear cut case of fair use. I don't see how it can be any different for PC software. It's the same with music and books too.
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Post by [CDF] LeoMike on Jan 9, 2009 7:41:58 GMT -5
I'm not saying I agree with it. I was just telling you what it says on the back of my box.
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